Bobby Knight's Simple Offense Tip On Screens &
Why You May Never Use Down Screens Again

I would have to agree with coach Knight. We run a motion offense where we start a play with a down screen to the block area... Then a wing Players gets a layup out of it. The player screened is coming up to the top of the 3 point line and does have momentum heading to the basket. With this screen, the player does quickly square to the basket and can shoot with a higher percentage shot.

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I agree with the shooting percentage decreasing with downscreens, but I still prefer them for a few reasons. With the second screen you just showed in the video you are getting a catch in a very odd place on the floor and it looks ok in the video, because the other 2 players are not out there. Also, the way you get an open shot with downscreens is usually by fading if the defender goes ball side on the screen. That to is not an easy shot, but does give the shooter plenty of time. Another thing is the screener. With a downscreen you can easily dump the ball to the screener in the post if he opens up right after the screen. I guess if you are running a play that ends with the "New york screen" then I would prefer to have that screen over a down screen, but in every other instance I think I still prefer the downscreen. Just my thoughts...

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Good points, Augie. As they say, I guess you need to know the rules before you can break them.

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I agree so much with this because it's true. Our Varsity has the hardest time scoring because I think their offenses are not that strong. I always am looking for a way to get my best shooter open because during this generation of players it is guard heavy and necessary to have good guard play. By setting down screens the players back is to the ball. And I feel that it clogs the lane too much. This happens in a 3 out 2 in motion offense. Thats why I run a 4 out 1 in offense and a 1 3 1 offense. To me it gives guards more room to work on a specific side of the floor while there is still action going on the weak side to keep defenders honest.

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We are going to use downscreens next season, simply to get the ball in play at the wing. At youth levels, any team that moves is going to get open drives.

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Although I regard Coach Knight as a basketball genius, and own all of his tapes and videos, I would be cautious about following all his suggestions in his new role as a T.V. commentator. Remember that Coach Knight was opposed to on-ball screens as well. Now look at what is back in most offenses.

I also remember his last few years of coaching at Texas Tech, where his motion offense seemed to really struggle at times to get decent shots.

Everything seems to work better if you have great players no matter what you run on offense.

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I can see your (and Coach Knight's point) but the player coming off the screen should be catching the pass mid-turn or on a jump so they land facing the basket. Coming off the down-screen the player should read what their defense is doing and cut accordingly (toward the passer if being chased, away from the passer for a flare-like pass if the defender jumps over the screen, etc). I would also hope most coaches use a combination of down/cross/flare screens throughout their offense.

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I also can see some point to Coach Knight, but I also believe that as a Coach you have to look at the players your getting and review what works for them. Smart players can read how to get open off any screen. So much play can come from the down screen, but again it also depends on your players ability.

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I only use downscreens to set up spacing for ball reversals to then set up something else. As another option to a downscreen, instead of setting a downscreen, you can set a diagonal backscreen and then pop out with the backscreener. This puts you in the same situation you were in before but gives you an additional backscreen option in the offense.

Just a thought.

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Downscreen are effective for several reasons. It makes the defenders work if set correctly. It sets up possibly a decent shot coming around screen. Plus it adds pressure to defense to communicate. Once you hear "switch", the down screener pins and rolls to receive a hot pass inside for two points.

Downscreens are even more effective when you are able to read the defense. It isnt mandatory you run off the screen to the same spot. Do a curl if the defense is following. Do a flair or skip if defense is riding the top of screen. And even a classic back door is an option if defense is cheating over the screen.

Unfortunately these screening and picking skills are overlooked as important these days. I guarantee my players more points if they do these and they respond to that.

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We added the "New York" screen to our U 14 boys' team motion offense Thursday night -- the kids loved it! More driving into the lane, less of getting backed down by the closeout defenders.

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Instead of down screen, I simply have our point guard keep the ball and a high screen is set. The PG then comes off that high screen heading to the wing and basket but now can also create with an outside shot or crossover. Then, if that isnt there, the block UP screens for the PG screener and cuts to the basket. Then, if then do not get the ball, they will continue through the block and cross screen the other block for another option. The 2 players who are at the top of the key during all of this will also cross screen for possibly at shot there up high near the free throw line.

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The down screen is very efficient if the screener posts up after the screen. Get the ball to the wing and let the wing feed the post. Use that down screen to score inside!

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When I first started coaching I was a "Bob Knight disciple" and used a lot of his philosophies but as I continued my coaching I developed my own philosophies but kept many of the Knight ideas. As far as down screens our offense uses a TON of them. The key is setting up your cuts, footwork, spacing and knowing where the pass is coming from. In the offense we try to keep the ball off the top and you wouldn't be coming off a down pick to the wing unless the ball was stopped on top and you were coming off a pick from the corner where you set up your cut by using a what we call an L cut (almost the same as a V cut) and coming to the wing. If you read the defense: if your defender follows..curl cut, if switch..back cut, if defender goes under fill wing.
In your first example our rule is inside picks for outside so instead of setting a down pick we would set a back pick and run a curl or back cut off the pick.

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Thanks, Bill.

I use a lot of the same progressions when coming off screens away from the ball.

1. Curl - defender chases
2. Straight Cut - defender stuck on screen
3. Backdoor - defender overplays
4. Fade - defender shoots the gap

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I like down screens. But I like them more for what you get for the screener than the mover. I'm surprised no one has said anything.

Down screens allow your screener to get excellent position and an excellent seal close to the basket. We had a game we won where we screened little on big on a down screen 4 straight possessions during the key part of the game. We got a great post up for our wing player against a smaller perimeter defender.

Sometimes I think actions should be run as much for the position they put the screener in as much as the mover.

JMO

Brian

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Good points, Brian.

"JMO".. it looks like Coach Sar has been rubbing off on you.

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We always told our kids, the person who sets the best screen will get himelf open the easiest just by opening up, coming to the ball and making himself available. Coach Sar

JMO - LOL -

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Lol...

Coach Sad has had a tremendous positive impact on my coaching. JMO is just one of the many things I have picked up from him.

A treasure trove of information, he is. (Channeling my inner Yoda.)

Roy Williams uses down screens and away screens in his 3-2 motion offense. His rule is he sets a rear screen always for the person who just had the ball. Why? Because that defender who was just guarding the ball is the easiest to find.

When swinging side to side, he sets a down screen onthe side the ball is going to looking for the pin down and post up. He sets the rear screen (flex from post to wing, fade from point to wing) for where the ball just was.

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Brian -

"COACH SAD?"

Joe, I guess spelling wasn't one of them. :-)

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Hello guys. The problem with this "downscreen" and attributing it to Coach Knight is that this is not a Knight downscreen at all. Downscreens are set when the screener's back is to the ball. The diagram shows a "pin" screen, not a downscreen. I completely agree with the premise that pin screens are not very good. We do not let our kids set them at all (neither did Knight for that matter). Furthermore, the downscreen is best set guard spot to wing. Anyone who claims to have all of Knight's tapes/dvds should definitely know the difference.

Someone said to be careful of listening to Knight because look how many people ballscreen today. That is really sad. I've actually had a conversation with Coach Knight about ballscreens and a lack of movement in today's game. He said that he thinks the game is the way it is today because "coaches are lazy". Couldn't agree more.

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Pin screens are a great way to get the ball to post players. Have used the same offense for years and had lots of success . If you don't have good post players(which i have had from time to time) then it is not so great and I have used ball screens

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I've run Motion Offense both at the prep and collegiate level - in addition to spending a year in Bloomington pursuing my masters and watching Coach Knight run practice every day.

Generally speaking, if there's a viable scenario for a screen to the block from the wing - regardless of what terminology one prefers, be my guest and run it that way. It's your team. I can tell you from experience that it crowds the lane, reduces the variety and efficacy of cutters and generally makes for crappy motion. But hey, even crappy motion can put the ball in the basket in December. February is another matter.

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This was addressed above, but I thought I would confirm what was said. Coach Knight did run down screens, but his down screen had the screener inside the cutter moving from the top of the floor toward the baseline. This gave the cutter three basic reads. The screen he hated, which some people call a down screen was a pin screen with the wing screening toward the block. Coach Knight taught that with a player on the wing and a player in the post the inside man was the screener. In other words, the player on the lane would back screen for the player on the wing.

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Good points to reaction of defender playing screen.. Player with ball must be intelligent to read them also. Spacing the floor remains so important . Not all players are skilled or intelligent enough to make those read decisions against good heat on the ball.
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